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Today on the podcast, LaChaun and I are talking about issues of racism and White Supremacy, and the ways they are deeply embedded into our textile industries and communities. This country and the world and all of us are reacting to the murder of George Floyd and so many other Black people at the hands of the police. White folks are being called upon to deeply examine and work at rooting out the racism in ourselves and our families and communities and it is work I am committed to staying focused on in my personal life and in this business. 

LaChaun and I have had a few phone conversations recently about how we want to bring these conversations onto the podcast and into our weaving community, and we decided on our last one that we should record one of these conversations to share transparently with our listeners what we have been thinking about. I am deeply appreciative of LaChaun's interest in and willingness to talk about this so openly on this platform.  

One last thing before we start. Conversations like this bring up lots of feelings, and we know our listeners will have lots of reactions. To put it bluntly - White folks: If you are struggling with something you hear here, you are more than welcome to email me at and we can discuss - please do not take your questions or burdens and definitely not any complaints to LaChaun directly. It is not her work to do in the world or her job at Gist to be dealing with that with you. If you have something supportive to say, please feel free to share it with LaChaun - her email address is

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The music for this podcast  is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International LicenseThe musical section is an excerpt of the original: The Beauty of Maths by Meydän.


Carolyn Cogan

Carolyn Cogan said:

Thank you for sharing this current issue very thoughtfully. History and people’s stories are the best way to learn – my opinion. I wanted to share a book that Sarah Swett recommended called Plantation Slave Weavers Remembered An Oral History edited by Mary Madison. The stories come from the Florida State Unit of Federal Writers’ Project durning the 1930’s.


Lori said:

Wow Sarah and Lachaun. This was really a deep courageous informative conversation. I never knew that there was a black owned mill in 1901.

As a woman of color who weaves I have experienced the obstacle to getting capital to sustain the business. I have worked in the banking industry and their is a reluctance of banks to extend credit to people of color whether it be subsconscious or conscious bias.

Through having these conversations, we can convert them into action. We can all grow together not only in the textile community but around the world. We are all stronger together!

I support Gist Yarn 💯.

Lindy Brown

Lindy Brown said:

Thank you so much to you two wonderful ladies for this episode, I found it so powerful and interesting and brought up things I hadn’t really even thought about. I am an Australian , living in Australia and we have racial issues as well of course , and our indigenous Australians struggle to be business owners and entrepreneurs, among many other difficulties.
Thanks again, love all your podcasts and wish I could afford postage or your beautiful yarns to Australia!

Nancy Nordquist

Nancy Nordquist said:

What a wonderful conversation you two women had. I appreciate all that I learned from this podcast. Thank you so much for sharing. I am looking forward to reading some of the books on your list.
I want to learn more about the history of agriculture and textile production in our country, and I realize that story cannot be told without discussing slavery and race, even when it makes me feel guilty. If we can’t handle uncomfortable feelings, how will we learn anything?
I too was deeply discouraged by the last election, and so I have been trying to vote with my pocketbook. I look forward to seeing what Gist yarn will accomplish in the future.

Henrietta Shelby

Henrietta Shelby said:

This is a pivotal episode where LaChaun Moore explained our collective African American history in this country. LaChaun you succinctly told our history and thank you for sharing as only you could deliver and the reading list. I will go through this storm and create as I was placed on this earth to do. Thank you for this encouragement.

I would like to see more merchandise from the countless African American fiber artists, makers, dyers, spinners, pattern-makers and creators included in your business.

Hollace Ann Struve

Hollace Ann Struve said:

Please consider switching the bank you use for business and personal use. Is it a Black-owned bank? I know that I’m going to make this change very soon. I want to put my money where my heart is.

Thanks to both of you…fot all that you do. Please know that everything is so appreciated. Peace and blessings..

Doris Strand

Doris Strand said:

wow … thank you, ladies!

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